Later,

While we are here, how about we take the opportunity to discuss whether/how to use this space to cover 2020summit shenanigans?

There was a bit of discussion along those lines a while back on the main list, consensus was that 2020(meta)summit could very well swamp main list, and since this risk-management vehicle is all dressed up and dateless, it could be deployed for that purpose.

Mark I think said he was gonna think about it, but in the meantime has at last bit the ROI bullet, is wondering what the work of running one blog is worth. To a rational economic time-and-motion unit, which Mark deep down probably is, the idea of two blogs might frankly seem insane.

On the other hand, this summit thingy of Kevs could be exactly what the doctor ordered as a locus for demonstrating the potential of democracy 2.0. It’s a case of comment now, or forever hold your peace.

….(There was very much an air of that to the community cabinet thing the other week, Kev saying I’m giving you your chance to have your 2.5c worth, adjusted for inflation: step up to the mark, or get out of the way. I couldn’t find anyone there who requested time with a minister and was knocked back )….

I lean most definitely to the latter. I reckon the official online front-end will leave much to be desired, what with being done by professionals, not talented experienced amateurs. (Like Kevin07 was a blog, and OfficialLaborSpace was a myspace? Effective outward facing facsimiles/placeholders sure, but real 2.0 engagement not.)

Which leaves room for it to be done LProperly.

And suffering withdrwel symptoms already

Hurry Up !!!!!

It was a horrible case. Hopefully those who might be inclined to bully others on the web might be put off from doing so after what happened to Megan. Doubt it though.

Mmmm, I feel inspired to write something longer myself.

I am writing a book on women in the punk scene and the wider music scene and supposed to start my PhD in September (I have a Masters in Politics and Sociology). I was a punk from the early days. There’s an interview I did with Ari Up on the site as well that touches on some interesting points.

Most of the “Women in Punk” section was NOT written by me, I hasten to add. I’ve meant to update/comment on it but haven’t found the time.

I just got myself riled up again looking at a thread about Siouxsie and the Banshees, where there are several ridiculous sexist comments, several men complaining that she was “not all that” attractive. Grr!

Interesting site. Must take a longer look and read about some women who were in punk bands themselves. That would be totally worth writing about.

Yes, Nancy was surely difficult to deal with (although so were a lot of other punks), and I appreciate that Marco knew her on a personal level. I always try to remember that she was only 20, and Sid was only 21 (and both she and Sid were troubled drug-addled human beings). Gosh knows, lots of us were pains in the butt at that age.

“Do we believe that people are like this, that we are born with good or evil personalities and predispositions, and our environment or parenting have little effect?”

Regarding this quote, I don’t think people are born with evil or good personalities, but I think all of us are born flawed and some of us are born with damaged minds due to genetics or birth trauma or whatever. Many of us have known families in which one member seems completely disturbed and self-destructive, while everybody else is just trying to get by the best they can. It’s a complicated subject.

Thanks again.