Saturday Salon

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  1. Muhahahaha! Frist!

    Funny, that was nowhere near as satisfying as I thought it would be.

  2. Graham Bell says:

    Good on you for getting FIRST. 😀

  3. Christine Keeler says:


  4. Pavlov's Cat says:

    You’ll find the satisfaction creeps up on you incrementally, Gummo, every time you check the thread.

    On other matters, it’s been raining fairly steadily and very beautifully in Adelaide since the night before last. Naturally I have no rainwater tank, but it’s still nice.

  5. mick says:

    I’d just like to complain that iTunes doesn’t seem to want to download the track info for my newly purchased Amy Winehouse CD. Bloody hell I hate Apple products sometimes, they are so damned “user friendly” that they sometimes aren’t.

  6. You’ll find the satisfaction creeps up on you incrementally…

    Must remember that line – might come in useful in the bedroom one day.

  7. Bowl of Oranges says:

    Is this new moniker a goer?

    I kinda like it.

  8. Kim says:

    No it sucks.

    But it makes me feel like sucking on a mandarin.

    Don’t mind me. I’m pissed! 🙂

  9. Nightmelon Express says:

    Too fruity?

  10. Kim says:

    How do you spell mandarin the fruit anyway? Mandarine? As opposed to a Confucian bureaucrat?

    It may be bedtime!

    Gin and tonic is evil!

  11. Third Persimmon from the Sun says:

    But it makes me feel like sucking on a mandarin.

    Are you having subliminal sexual fantasies about the Ruddster there?

  12. Kim says:

    OMG! There is no more asexual being in the whole of Australia, Lefty E!

    I mean, really, what’s to pick him as a lerver from the desiccated coconut? He met his wife, who’s made a mint from the sufferings of the unemployed and the policies of the Howard government, at a bloody Christian shindig at ANU!

    Sheesh, way to get me depressed!


    That feels better…

  13. Anna Winter says:

    Gin and tonic is evil!

    What you need are cocktails made of gin, lime, cointreau and champagne.

    Or five 🙂

  14. Riverbend and have family has decided to get out of Iraq. I wish her luck on finding a safe place to live.

    I remember Baghdad before the war- one could live anywhere. We didn’t know what our neighbors were- we didn’t care. No one asked about religion or sect. No one bothered with what was considered a trivial topic: are you Sunni or Shia? You only asked something like that if you were uncouth and backward. Our lives revolve around it now. Our existence depends on hiding it or highlighting it- depending on the group of masked men who stop you or raid your home in the middle of the night.

    On a personal note, we’ve finally decided to leave. I guess I’ve known we would be leaving for a while now. We discussed it as a family dozens of times. At first, someone would suggest it tentatively because, it was just a preposterous idea- leaving ones home and extended family- leaving ones country- and to what? To where?

  15. Finished my two photoessays of Anzac Day:

    Dawn Service:

    March (heaps of links to more info about the photos in this one):

  16. Jack Robertson says:

    From over on the Anzac Day thread:

    Helen Dale wrote: “Jack, please edit before commenting. Please. From someone who used to do the craft for a living”

    HD, I didn’t realize you were moderating at LP now. If your plea about editing was genuine feel free to knock my Anzac Day post into better shape and email your suggested version here. I’m happy – even hungry – to learn whatever I can about writing from whoever is genuine, ie specific, in their criticism of mine. OTOH if as is increasingly common in the Ozblogosphere your sniffy dismissal of my style/length was just the tactical or gratuitous sniping of someone who doesn’t like me and/or the substance of what I wrote on this occasion, save it for those dupes and groupies who apparently regard a dubious appropriation of the honest word ‘sceptic’ and self-appointed dual roles as Ozblogistan Literary QC Chief & Blog Etiquette Head Prefect as, in themselves alone, something more authoritative than the mere icky fruits of vanity publishing. (See, I can be loftily condescending too, HD.) My Anzac post was genuine and heartfelt and not picking a fight with anyone, not even John Greenfield if he’d bothered to read it closely enough, and I put a fair bit of time and thought (and family) into it. If LP thought it was too long or narcissistic I presume LP wouldn’t have published it (it went into moderation first).

    So my email address is there awaiting your specific edits. Feel free, HD. Please. Although for what it’s worth IMHO the mighty cause of Oz. Lit. would probably be better served if you stopped telling everyone else around here how to write, and focused on your own. Your next novel has already got the sort of advance spruiking from the MSM that mere literary hacks like Delia Falconer and Christian Tsiolkas would kill their grannies for, but it’s not going to write itself. Good luck heaps with it. And I really mean that with all best wishes, Helen. Blogging is a piece of piss. Novels are hard.

    Thank you as ever for the space, LP.

    Jack, I doctored your e-mail addy a little to give the spambots out there a few difficulties. I’m sure SL will still be able to get it to work, with a little tinkering. GT

  17. Jack R says:

    Ta, Gummo. Forgot about them. Bit rusty on the technicals of blogging these days, and all that.

  18. No hassles Jack – found the comment in moderation – dunno why.

    But you’ve got to watch those spambots – don’t want your address being used to send out offers of free 30-day trials on bed-flute extension surgery (if you’re still not satisfied after 30 days, return the extra centimeters to us and your money will be fully refunded).

  19. Christine Keeler says:

    Just bye the bye, I should alert you to Basically an online storage facility where you can plonk music files, pix or whatever (up to 1 gig free) for sharing with friends or blogs.

    I’ve been swapping various files for the past week and it’s just brilliant and costs nothing.

  20. Jack R says:

    “…don’t want your address being used to send out offers of free 30-day trials on bed-flute extension surgery…”

    Quite. Keeping that sort of correspondence strictly manual allows one to grant each lucky recipient one’s personal touch. Titty boom.

    Bloke walks into a bar and asks the barman for a straight single entendre, no twist, no fruit. Barman says: “In this joke? Not a chance, mate.”

  21. BearCave says:

    On the issue of public language in politics, the fringe media must keep the pollies and the mainstream media in check when it comes to the use of rhetoric and determine whether the language used is more policy or politically motivated.

    Mr. Rudd claims at the Labor Party conference that Labor values are ones which “unite rather than divide us”.

    The concept I advocate on my blog – “personal development” will “unite elementsâ€? of individualism (a “Me, Myself and I” concept) and collectivism (the importance of various relationships to individual success – what I define as the goal of “Equality of knowledge interrelationships for the personal development and implementation of strategyâ€?.).

    I regard the concept of “collectivism versus individualismâ€? to be a political fault-line of the past, even though this doesn’t translate to an advocacy of Australian Workplace Agreements (because the issue of “equalityâ€? will still be critical in defining a new fault-line to differentiate the major parties).

    Also, as an advocate who writes with “the interest of low-income earnersâ€? in mind, first and foremost, rather than adding to the conga line of those writing to shore up support from the middle-classes, I also urge Kevin Rudd to measure his thinking against those thinkers with philosophical backgrounds not confined to politics.

    The Australian’s Paul Kelly is correct when he says today:

    “It is always heartening to be told one represents the future. This is even more heartening when the message and the transition it embodies seems so painless and sacrifice free”.

    Indeed, Labor’s rhetoric deserves to be scrutinized on the basis of how an alternative government policy platform will facilitate the balance of transition and risk for ordinary workers.

    However, The Australian newspaper seems to believe that the only way Kevin Rudd can measure his thinking is against the Tony Blair “third way” experience.

    Kevin Rudd should not be fooled by The Australian’s attempt to coerce federal Labor into becoming a “Howard-Liteâ€? alternative which leaves its core readership with a choice at the ballot box, but leaves other Australians feeling their vote is worthless.

    My full article is on my blog.

  22. Phil Ruddock goes a bit anti-American.

    Well, who wouldn’t be cross with this sort of thing?

  23. BTW – can anyone tell me what Rattus australicus Howardii was doing by way of paid employment between 1971 (when he won his spurs in NSW state politics) and 1974. All the on-line bios I’ve seen leave you to assume that he went back to soliciting in suburbia but I’d like to know for sure.

  24. Whoops – as Ms Keeler will no doubt point out, the genus in the previous comment should be Cunnirattus.

  25. silkworm says:

    A few months ago I alerted LPers to the discovery of a cancer cure called DCA. Now another cure has been discovered, and it’s the well-known antioxidant anthocyanidin found in dark berries. The article that follows tells how anthocyanidin destroys leukaemia cells, but the mechanism by which it works is exactly the same as that of DCA. This should tell us that anthocyanidin will work on just about any form of cancer. If you know anyone with cancer, you have an obligation to let them know about this latest research.

  26. Sir Henry Casingbroke says:

    Both, Kim, are correct, though e variant seems less confucius confusing.

  27. Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS says:

    Is this new moniker a goer?

    Kinda thinking the same thing myself…

  28. tigtog says:

    New monikers tend to work better with gravatars/URLs up there in the author line. Otherwise, Ilsa, only the LP moderators know who you used to be, and all your scandals.

    I have noticed a distinct lack of ninja monikers. Why is this?

  29. Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS says:

    New monikers tend to work better with gravatars/URLs up there in the author line. Otherwise, Ilsa, only the LP moderators know who you used to be, and all your scandals.

    Works for me TT, especially since I’ve discovered all these vampires in the basement. Had problems with non-functioning gravatars in the past but I’ll have to give that another bash.

  30. Leinad says:

    tigtog: Ninjas are so 2003.

  31. suz says:

    Is this new moniker a goer?

    Kinda thinking the same thing myself…

    In your case I think the answer is no. Any such references to the SS are distasteful.

  32. Ilsa, She-Wolf in Transition says:

    Very fair point suz

  33. silkworm says:

    Ilsa She-Wolf of the SS is a porn movie, with graphic depictions of sexual sadism. Does LP want to promote that kind of thing?

  34. Ilsa, Phantom Agent says:

    Absolutely not, silkworm

  35. Ilsa, Phantom Agent says:

    As cribbed from Wikipedia:

    ‘Phantom Agents: Modern day ninjas working for the Japanese government, mostly against the dastardly “Intercrime” organization.

    Armed with ninja weapons such as shuriken and use guns “only as a last resort,” as patiently explained to only female member.

    Used to run everywhere in single file, but now drive Toyota Crown Saloon.’

    Yeah, pretty happy with that:

  36. John Greenfield says:

    Jack Robertson

    Strike me bloody pink, mate. If that wasn’t you in fight mode please give me a lot of warning should you ever feel being provoked into fight mode. So I can head for the hills! 🙂

    I didn’t disrespect your sincerity, especially not toward your own personal experiences. My only beef was when you tarred MY experience of the dawn service, etc. with the a shed full of straw: of excluding “others.” I have a particular beef with debate that starts obsessively accusing others of othering.

    If you’d read MY post carefully enough, you would have realized I was experiencing Anzac Day as an incredibly inclusive ritual/experience/memorialisation that transcends our differences, whether they be ethnic, age, or political.

    However I will not retract my long-held view that state-imposed multiculti was the biggest disaster a certain sliver of leftists ever took. And I sing from the rafters the news of its demise. As I argued when the multiculti set took over the ALP, “this will be the end of Labor and the Left.”

    So if you are going to paint me as being some 300-worshipping, keyboard warrior, Princess Diana-worshipping “guardian of the myth” you are free to do so. Just do not expect it to go unanswered in kind.

    If my post struck you as ridiculing you, then I sincerely apologize. Perhaps next year, we can share a few beers, a game of two-up and THEN discuess the Day. 😉

  37. Graham Bell says:

    David Jackmanson:
    Thanks for posting your ANZAC Day photoessay. Sorry I couldn’t view it as I have only 3rd-world dial-up out here [same goes for YouTube].

    Anna Winter [3;30am]
    Works well with any spirit that doesn’t overpower the Cointreau and soda water. Wonder if Devil Drink and SteveAtThePub have opinions on it?

    Bowl Of Oranges:
    Kim mightn’t like the moniker but it’s no worse than some others floating around.

  38. j_p_z says:

    Jack R: “Bloke walks into a bar…” — Best laugh I’ve had in a while. Good one! Both you & John G. wrote interesting and highly readable Anzac Day pieces, even if they were (but were they really?) in conflict, which I wouldn’t want to be the judge of… Still, great and thoughtful job, JR, even coming from somebody like me who isn’t really qualified to assess. Rock on!

    SQUARE ALERT: Probable Unintentionally Comedic Music Update, from Non-Hipster Who Doesn’t Know If He’s Repeating Very Old News…

    Normally I don’t know much about recent music, but there’s a contemporary rock band called The Decemberists, who recently did a very good deed for some friends of mine; so in a spirit of thanks and reciprocation I went and bought some of their records… and they turn out to be awesome! (Many of you who keep up, have probably long since formed yr own opinon.)

    Their little EP “The Tain” is one of the best long-form rock compositions I’ve heard since Tull’s “Thick as a Brick,” and they have a record called “Picaresque” that has two songs, “Sporting Life” and “16 Military Wives” that are some of the most entertaining songwriting I’ve come across in a dog’s age… If you want to reward virtue, then buy some records by these people. Salut!

  39. Oigal says:

    “No one asked about religion or sect. No one bothered with what was considered a trivial topic”

    Unless of course you happened to be a Kurd or on another shit list..

    Meanwhile, the spoiled brat Marr was at his best on Insiders today, most huffy when his snide remarks turned back on him vitually word for word..Finished the session arms folded, lips pouting..Sad Little Freak it is

  40. John Greenfield says:


    I was supposed to go to the Fabians do on Friday night, but fortunately had a timetable clash. The though of sitting through the Luvvie treakle of Maxine McKew and David Marr would be enough to make anybody hurl their cookies.

  41. Jack Robertson says:

    Hi John Greenfield, pardon the delay. Fair enough, your points are well taken. Thanks for the very gracious clarifying post. Re: ANZAC beers for next year, good idea. You’d have to brave the inner city elitist basket-weaving crowd, though, as I usually drink and play two-up at my local, Dick’s Hotel in Balmain. By all means give me an email if you’re going to be around Sydney at the right time. We can probably have a good old blue about multiculturusm, too…although TBH as JPZ deftly implied I doubt we’re as far from each other in the Culture War (sic) as you, me, and about 19, 000, 000 other reluctant combatents have been manipulated into believing, by the last ten years of pantomime dog-whistling from both sides of MSM politics. All the best.

    JPZ, thanks for those comments. Very generous.

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