You know what I think? Madder than a cut black snake…

We may have provided the Prime Minister and Treasurer of this fine nation, and delivered the Great Australian Labor Party a thumping majority, and as I’ve been arguing for quite some time, there’s the old Quinceland and the new Queensland… but hey, let it not be said that we’re not still different

Queensland is weird

Posted in politics, sociology
45 comments on “You know what I think? Madder than a cut black snake…
  1. Graham Bell says:

    Which Old Quinceland?

    The one of Goss, Ahern, Borbidge and Beattie?

    Or the one of Joh, Russ Hinz, Martin Tenni, Mr Iwasaki and our famous White Shoe Brigade?

    Or way back to the days of Hanlon, Gair and Nicklin? When Queensland was so progressive. [Bad luck about the Natives though].

  2. Darlene says:

    It’s all old Queensand to me.

    Ants of Brisbane looks like a cracking read.

  3. philiptravers says:

    3.40 am. Mark!?Was this an early Quinceland worm event or a slow way to cancer night!?Its been all rain and hours of sleeping in the day here at the leaking farmhouse.Try a bit of worm juice in your first hang-over cure to flood the mental cobwebs!

  4. Bartman says:

    Definitely new QLD. F’rinstance, that issue of X-Men is only 30 years old – QLD is really catching up.

  5. gandhi says:

    Talking of madder than a black snake…!

    Apparently these are the rules for posting at LP:

    1. No CAPS.

    2. No exclamation marks!

    3. Only one thought at a time, please.

    4. Don’t disagree with the inner circle of regulars who write posts.

    Failure to obey these rules will result in censorsihp of your comments.

    Your thoughts would be appreciated, Mark.

  6. Paul Burns says:

    Does this refer to:
    Paelontogical discoveries in Queensland?
    Existing dinosaurs like the Liberal Party?
    The past under Bjelke Petersen?
    I really want to know.

  7. Katz says:

    What about the rest of Qld?

    1. Are the raptors of Rockhampton all vegans?

    2. Are the snakes of Cunnamulla too boring to merit a four-colour glossy?

    3. Are the ants of Esk too horrific for the public gaze?

  8. Guido says:

    Do they have a nude calendar of Nambour High old boys under the counter by any chance?

  9. Sir Henry Casingbroke says:

    You’re right Bartman. “Anne Taintor takes magazine images from the late 40s and early 50s, then adds 90s sensibility.” Hmmm…

  10. Mazza says:

    I am sending a copy of Ants of Brisbane to all my overseas contacts this xmas.

  11. Anna Winter says:

    Eric Idle for Leader of the Qld Libs!

    He’ll take care of the raptors.

  12. Paul Burns says:

    I’m absolutely sure I’ll hardly ever get a thread that the following observation is more relevant to, so here goes:
    In the 18th Century they used to call ants ‘pismires’.

  13. David Rubie says:

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m looking forward to the re-introduction of Mr Fourex

    His smiling demeanour and natty boater have been gone too long. I also look forward to ordering a “seven” or a “five” when fronting up to the bar of the Commercial Hotel in Stanthorpe sometime during December.

  14. FDB says:

    DR: Interesting to see the XXXX ad guy, and compare it with VB’s dusty miners and road trains. Strange inversion, no? He looks like a Melbourne financier.

  15. David Rubie says:

    FDB – Mr Fourex seems more to me like a typical depiction of a beer drinker from the 1930’s. The old “Tooths” ads in NSW featuring fit young, clean-cut blokes in whites playing cricket, or at the beach, were generally aimed at depicting a certain sophistication. Mr Fourex, in his pinstripe and boater look originally to have been cut from the same cloth (so to speak).

    The VB ads, with dirty blokes in blue singlets were a fairly big change (I think) in advertising beer. Even Mike Whitney, bails hitting his afro, didn’t stay dirty for long when offered a Tooheys.

    I mostly associate Mr Fourex with the “white shoe” era of Queensland when he acquired the cheeky wink. We spent just about every summer holiday up there, crossing the border at Wallangarra was always an event – Mr Fourex greeting you in opposite enthusiasm to the sour blokes that worked on the border looking for fruit-fly and tick infested produce while we cooked in the back of the car. Queensland genuinely seemed like a different country to a 10 year old because of the border checks.

  16. Katz says:

    Melbourne’s financial community has never been the same since its members stopped wearing straw boaters.

  17. David Rubie, I don’t know when Mr. Fourex acquired the wink, I believe he was created with it. I have XXXX advertising dating from the 1920’s in which he winks.

  18. #5 Gandhi, welcome to the club. You may notice the comments policy is equally as selectively enforced, along much the same rules as you list. At times one can find half of a thread edited quite selectively. Screenshots at the time make for handy reference of what was actually posted, and could come in handy if the transgressor attempts to wipe our actual memory in a similar manner to how the comments were. It IS only the internet, don’t worry too much about it. Small minds – big keyboards etc etc.

  19. Enemy Combatant says:

    Even our bougeoisie are smartening themselves up, Mark. Nowadays, no coffee table north of The Tweed is considered current without the “Living Colour” edition of “Fire-Ants of Fig Tree Pocket” lying languidly aloft.

  20. Michael says:


    The comments policy seems pretty straightforward – at LPs discretion.

    Read the Comments Policy if you’re feeling like the subject of a vast conspiracy of censorship.

    The place of pure indulgence is your own blog, not someone esle’s. Whining about the comments policy on someone else’s blog should be a definite no-no of blogging etiquette.

  21. mbahnisch says:

    3.40 am. Mark!?

    We don’t have daylight saving time so it was really only 2.40am! I’d been to the Griffith Review Xmas Party at Avid Reader, and enjoyed a few wines. The intriguing books are on sale there:

    gandhi and steve, you know we don’t comment on the moderation decisions of others on their threads. If you have a problem, please email Gummo and take it up with him.

  22. Sam Clifford says:

    I simply must get Raptors of Southern Queensland! I’ve seen plenty of snakes and ants in my lifetime but am yet to come across a raptor; surely this guide will help me on my quest.

  23. David Rubie says:

    steve at the pub wrote:

    David Rubie, I don’t know when Mr. Fourex acquired the wink, I believe he was created with it. I have XXXX advertising dating from the 1920’s in which he winks.

    There goes that theory then. He’s cool though, and much cooler than the water colour Tooths guys who all look like they’re wearing lipstick. Don’t get me started on the extreme stupidity of marketing Bundy rum with a polar bear (I just don’t get it).

    Once Mr Fourex is back, can we get Castlemaine-Perkins to remove the awful black colour on the proper strength XXXX packaging and make it yellow again? If it’s possible for Joh Bjelke-Peterson to inhabit the body of Peter Beattie, surely a bit of revisionist packaging isn’t too much to ask for.

  24. Klaus K says:

    I think the Bundy rum/polar bear thing is an attempt to expand the market for the drink by suggesting that it is a ‘cold’ drink, an escape from the busy heat of the workaday world. This may be superficially true if you sip on a rum and coke or two in an air-conditioned bar somewhere.

    Of course, the reality for those who know the drink well is that rum is the fiery nectar of hell, bringing madness and destruction in its wake, not to mention fist fights.

  25. Paul Burns says:

    Rum and warm milk are excellent for colds.Otherwise, Klaus K, your comments on rum are spot on. Who would think mollasses would do that to people?

  26. Don’t get me started on the extreme stupidity of marketing Bundy rum with a polar bear (I just don’t get it).

    The Bundy Rum bear started out as the Blues Brothers’ ursine cousin – with suit, hat and glasses. Just the thing to appeal to the schoolies demographic. (Who else drinks the stuff?)

  27. Klaus K says:

    In my experience those who guzzle the Bundy are (young to middle-aged) men looking for a fight. That might not be borne out statistically, and I’ve known a few women who like a Bundy and Coke, but it seems to me that the demographic is more ‘toolies’ than schoolies. The Blues Brothers Bear may suit the self-conception of such characters as well, of course.

  28. David Rubie says:

    Hmmm. Bundy and violence seem to go together. I went to Brisbane for a wedding a few years ago and my sister and her husband were guzzling a vile bundy and ginger beer combination in pre-packaged cans.

    It was OK to start with, but later in the evening the effect on my bowels was violent. I sincerely hope that product has been banned.

  29. Klaus K says:

    Do you mean ‘Dark & Stormy’, David? I had a twinge in my gut just reading the description on the Bundy website: “It is a refreshing, sweet brew with a lifting ginger nose and a hint of apple.” Lol.

  30. Rum & Ginger Beer is indeed known as “Dark and Stormy”. The saying originates in Bermuda, and Bermudans are flummoxed to see “their” drink in Australia. The crap presented as a pre-mixed can by Diageo (the bundaberg rum company, incidentally the world’s largest liquor company) is NOTHING like a Bermuda Dark and Stormy. “Dark and Stormy” is in fact trademarked by a Rum company in Bermuda, and is mixed in the glass, with actual Ginger Beer, and with actual Rum (Bundaberg rum is the cause of great distress among the rum distillers of the world, as they all say that it is not rum, due to the cheap way it is made.)

  31. In my experience Rum is drunk by most people. Changing demographics are causing beer sales to rise, but up until a few years ago I sold more rum than beer. That is, for every stubby sold over the bar (or 7oz/10oz glass) at least one nip of rum was sold.

    Bottleshop was likewise, with more bottles of rum (750ml or 1125ml) being sold than cartons of beer.

    Alas, the arrival of southerns seeking to escape the sub twenty five degrees centigrade weather of their southern homelands have brought their girly drinking habits with them. Now beer outsells rum.

  32. David Rubie says:

    Klaus, “Dark and Stormy” might be the thing. It’s just the ticket if you find yourself in that unusual situation of having consumed too much cheese but no longer require your dignity.

  33. Liam Hogan says:

    Ah, but steve at the pub, did you sell the rum neat or with a mixer? The Queensland exiles I know in Sydney generally have their rum neat as a beer chaser, which is different to just rum drinking. I give silently awed respect to the purist neat rum-drinkers, who’re genuinely drinking in the nineteenth-century mode of Commonwealth grog trading, but rum ‘n’ cola is a Cuban drink of the forties.
    I’ll even give the nod to rum punches, stirred together with ice and fruit for a party or barbecue, even though the engineers I know take it to its logical engineer’s extreme in the infamous Wheelie Bin Of Death™. That’s a supreme technical achievement I never want to see again.
    Draught beer with a refrigerating tap is a civilised institution, and it ought to be encouraged, certainly over bottled pre-mix lolly drinks, and in *all* cases over that fucking horrible Bundy draught, and everywhere over the dodgy premix R&C 375ml cans.
    Disclaimer: I’m a big fan of all of the brown spirits with the exception of rum, due to one youthful hyper-exuberance. Nowadays even the smell of rum makes me reach for the bucket.

  34. Paul Burns says:

    Even the Roytal Navy used to mix rum with water – i.e. ‘grog’.

  35. Klaus K says:

    “(Bundaberg rum is the cause of great distress among the rum distillers of the world, as they all say that it is not rum, due to the cheap way it is made.)”

    Well, it certainly tastes cheap. You seem like somebody with valuable rum experience, SATP, what would you recommend? I’ve tried and enjoyed a few of the Caribbean varieties that are readily available, and prefer to sip the darker end of the spectrum (although Bacardi is fine for a mixer I suppose), but my knowledge is limited.

  36. mbahnisch says:

    I’ve tried “Mount Gay” and it’s not bad – though when first asked to go and buy one at the bar for a friend, I thought he was having a lend of me with the name…

  37. #Klaus K: There are some great rums. As much as I loathe the evil pommy one (bundaberg) I love others. Almost any dark one. Bacardi is probably quite good, however it is white, thus is a feminine drink and I would drop dead before I ever touched it.

    One of the collateral benefits of the desperate staff shortage here is I go to Trinidad & such places on recruitment drives. Even though I barely drink, I come home with a treasure trove of exotic & 1st class rums not available here!

    # Paul Burns, the RN mixed water with rum so that it would spoil, to prevent the pussers from hoarding their ration in quantities sufficient to over-intoxicate themselves. You could try mixing a nip of rum with a nip of water, & see how long it keeps for. Interestingly medical journals have reported that in autopsy the condition of the “guts” of RN sailors was better than the population average, whilst in contrast autopsies on RAN sailors (a beer ration navy) revealed their guts to be in worse condition than the average citizen.

    #Liam: It is consumed all ways in the bar here, including straight (mostly as a beer chaser). However it is usually served neat in a small glass, with a jug of cool water, or with milk, orange juice, raspberry cordial & sometimes boiling water (my favourite) or most commonly with ice and a can of coca-cola. Serving it with coca-cola post-mix squirted into it would be taken as an insult.

    More recently the young dickhead market prefers the pre-mixed cans (which would have to be the nearest thing to drinking battery acid I can think of) or even the equally hideous bundy draught, on tap.

  38. Graham Bell says:

    SATP, David, Klaus et al:

    Best use yet for rum is as in Vienna at E1:80 a mug at any good imbiss. Fruit juice, red wine and rum – hot – warms the cockles of your heart. Tried it cold in Central Queensland summer …. works a treat too. Makes you see giant raptors, huge bullants and other beasties in 3D. 😀

  39. Paul Burns says:

    Thanks for that little gem. Could you give me a reference for it. The work I’m currently reseaching and writing is very much about the 18c Royal Navy during the American Revolution, and little tit-bits of information like the one you have provided can come in very useful.

  40. FDB says:

    The only good use for Bundy is in my patented panfried buttered bananas in caramelised brown sugar and rum sauce.

    Oh, and for drinking when there’s nothing else but Vermouth in the cabinet.

  41. Jane says:

    Bundy’n’coke seems to be the drink of choice for the B&S crowd, who gargle the stuff out of 44s. Shudder!! However, the only use for Bundy as far as I can see, is as a substitute for Drano or perhaps for thinning oil paint.
    My spirits of choice are good old mother’s ruin (no fighting, just crying) and Pernod, but my favourite tipples are full-bodied shiraz, cab-sav or reisling any old day of the week. There’s more than enough hangovers in that lot.

  42. Klaus K says:

    SATP, I can’t say I fully understand the white spirits being ‘feminine’ (although they are often marketed to women), or your aversion to them on that basis, but dark rum is my preference also. What exotic and first class rums, specifically, would you recommend? I’m not in a position at the moment to seek them out, but one day I will be, and hope to do so. I’ve heard that Appleton’s (of Jamaica) is worth pursuing, but haven’t found it domestically.

  43. Graham Bell says:

    Half a century ago, the North Australian Monthly published a tongue-in-cheek response to a shock-horror article, written by a hit-and-run correspondent, in a southern newspaper. The offending article had crocodiles stampeding through the main street of Cairns, blood-sucking mosquitoes [and not the other sort?], huge spiders, man-eating snakes and heaven only knows what other perils lurking under every leaf.

    By the time you got through reading the response in the N.A.M., you wouldn’t be game to go south of the Tropic Of Capricorn without a .303″ rifle, a gallon of DDT and a hefty pick-handle to defend yourself against all the dangers that awaited you down in Sydney and those other funny places.

  44. #43, Very wise to pack such heat when venturing down to the big smoke Graham, I hear the Sydney Push are something to beware of, & even further south Squizzy Taylor & his boys are likely to knock the shine off an unwary one’s visit to the card games & billiard halls.

  45. #42, Klaus, “Males purchasing white spirits” is on my list of unusual & weird purchases for staff to watch for, as part of a list of tips for spotting possible underagers. (On the basis that no while no man would be seen dead drinking “pooffy” white spirits, underagers on the other hand will, through desperation/inexperience attempt to lay their hands on anything)

    Which rums would I recommend? Now you are putting the pressure on. It is so difficult to get decent rum in Oz. It is a while since I have ventured to NZ, but one of the benefits is the superior array of readily available rums. Mount Gay, Myers & Coruba are all far superior to most anything you can get in Oz. Appleton Estate is a reputed brand, though I have only tried their basic brand.

    As always, price is a good barometor for the uniniated. Good stuff never comes dirt cheap.

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